[Info-vax] [OT] USA

[Bob Gezelter]

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:18:03 AM UTC-4, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 6/20/2023 8:51 AM, Simon Clubley wrote: 
> > On 2023-06-19, Arne Vajhøj <ar... at vajhoej.dk> wrote: 
> >> On 6/19/2023 1:43 PM, Simon Clubley wrote: 
> >>> That's all well and good Rob, but what happens when China grows a bit 
> >>> stronger and then decides to show you who the boss is by cutting off 
> >>> your imports ? 
> >> 
> >> Americans can no longer get cheap furniture, cheap tools and all 
> >> sorts of cheap junk from China. 
> >> 
> >> They will survive. 
> >> 
> > 
> > They also can't get all the medical supplies and critical equipment 
> > now produced in China, and which would need a _serious_ amount of time 
> > to rebuild that infrastructure within the US.
> It is my understanding that much of the medical stuff comes from India and other 
> places. Don't know how much comes from China.
> > Are you sure about the above ?
> Yes, we would survive. We'd learn the lesson to not be so dependent on others, 
> but, we'd just have to "onshore" what we'd let go of in the past.
> >>> That's where the US 
> >>> currently gets most of its bullying power from. 
> >> 
> >> It doesn't really give any power. 
> >> 
> > 
> > Yes, it does. The US is currently using its power to force its allies 
> > to also impose sanctions. In a more general way, the US imposes a threat 
> > of being frozen out of the US banking system to get its way.
> True.
> >>> In the old days, your military had to worry about protecting your 
> >>> industrial base from an enemy. These days, all your enemy needs to 
> >>> do is to threaten to stop sending you the goods they now produce 
> >>> for you. 
> >> 
> >> If the goods are critical yes. 
> >> 
> >> But China export is mostly consumer stuff. 
> >> 
> > 
> > So what happened to the supply chains during Covid was an illusion ? 
> > (And that was with China still trying to meet its obligations!)
> It's a bit complex. Consider two people in a rubber life raft. They don't get 
> along, so, one decides to sink the raft, to harm the other. The first person is 
> also in the life raft. Both would suffer.
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David,

If memory serves, the tale is known as "The Frog and the Scorpion". At least one book attributed it to Vietnam.

All, WADR, let us keep the politics outside of this forum. Less stuff to wade through.

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com