[Info-vax] [OT] USA

[Simon Clubley]

On 2023-06-20, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
> On 2023-06-20 14:06, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2023-06-19, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>>
>>> I really shouldn't be adding posts to this stupid topic.
>>>
>>> Competing with China is nothing like a business rivalry. At some point
>>> this needs to be addressed properly.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/0xlq4WSpUH8
>>>
>> 
>> How does that incident compare to what the US are doing to everyone else ?
>
> Can you provide some facts instead of sweeping generalizations here, please?
>
> You just claiming something is so don't necessarily make it true.
> Hard to have a discussion comparing two things when one is a concrete 
> incident, and the other a sweeping generalization and opinion.
>

Not an opinion. There's plenty of stuff that's come out about what the
US are up to. (As well as what the UK and other countries are up to).

Some random examples resulting from keyword searches:

1) The US planted backdoors in Cisco equipment:

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608141/snowden--the-nsa-planted-backdoors-in-cisco-products.html

Exactly the kind of thing they accuse China of doing.

2) The US secretly purchased a Swiss company and sold equipment with
backdoors in it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/

Exactly the kind of thing they accuse China of doing.

3) The US violated the trust placed in it to compromise security standards:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG

Exactly the kind of thing China would like to do, but are not yet in
a sufficient position of trust to be able to do it.

4) The US spies on close allies for economic purposes:

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-fears-nsa-stole-industrial-secrets/a-16925289
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/snowden-accuses-nsa-of-stealing-business-secrets-370704?eid=1&edate=20140128&utm_source=20140128_AM&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter&eaddr=%%Email%20Address%%

Exactly the kind of thing they accuse China of doing.

Simon.

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