[Info-vax] [OT] USA

[Dave Froble]

On 6/20/2023 1:50 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-06-20, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>> On 2023-06-20 14:06, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2023-06-19, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really shouldn't be adding posts to this stupid topic.
>>>>
>>>> Competing with China is nothing like a business rivalry. At some point
>>>> this needs to be addressed properly.
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/0xlq4WSpUH8
>>>>
>>>
>>> How does that incident compare to what the US are doing to everyone else ?
>>
>> Can you provide some facts instead of sweeping generalizations here, please?
>>
>> You just claiming something is so don't necessarily make it true.
>> Hard to have a discussion comparing two things when one is a concrete
>> incident, and the other a sweeping generalization and opinion.
>>
>
> Not an opinion. There's plenty of stuff that's come out about what the
> US are up to. (As well as what the UK and other countries are up to).
>
> Some random examples resulting from keyword searches:
>
> 1) The US planted backdoors in Cisco equipment:
>
> https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608141/snowden--the-nsa-planted-backdoors-in-cisco-products.html
>
> Exactly the kind of thing they accuse China of doing.
>
> 2) The US secretly purchased a Swiss company and sold equipment with
> backdoors in it:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/
>
> Exactly the kind of thing they accuse China of doing.
>
> 3) The US violated the trust placed in it to compromise security standards:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG
>
> Exactly the kind of thing China would like to do, but are not yet in
> a sufficient position of trust to be able to do it.
>
> 4) The US spies on close allies for economic purposes:
>
> https://www.dw.com/en/germany-fears-nsa-stole-industrial-secrets/a-16925289
> https://www.itnews.com.au/news/snowden-accuses-nsa-of-stealing-business-secrets-370704?eid=1&edate=20140128&utm_source=20140128_AM&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter&eaddr=%%Email%20Address%%
>
> Exactly the kind of thing they accuse China of doing.
>
> Simon.
>

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