[Info-vax] OpenVMS async I/O, fast vs. slow

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 11/6/2023 8:07 AM, bill wrote:
> On 11/6/2023 5:58 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2023-11-05 16:58, bill wrote:
>>
>>> We have so many "colleges" teaching trade school courses (like diesel
>>> mechanics, HVAC welding and even motorcycle mechanics)I really wish
>>> trade schools would step up to the plate ad start teaching IT and in
>>> particular thing like COBOL, Fortran and PL/I.  They are not going away.
>>
>> Academia should not teach languages. If they do, they are clearly not 
>> doing the right thing.
> 
> I hear this all the time.  Believe it or not, in a way, it is a debate
> that has been going on for centuries.  Should college teach trades or
> just liberal arts and leave the trades to others?  Like it or not, the
> majority of college students are there with a belief that they will
> learn something that will enhance their future earnings and not just to
> expand their minds.
> 
> As for teaching languages. Every program I have ever seen taught
> languages.
> 
>> They should teach methods, principles, concepts, ideas.
> 
> They teach that, too, but without detailed knowledge of a language
> it really doesn't do much for the student.

They need a language to write code to see the principles
applied.

To really understand what is general and what is specific
for the language they need more than one language.

I would expect a CS degree to give knowledge of about 3-5
languages.

Most learn Python and Java today. But other languages are
seen: OCAML, Haskell, C#, C++, C, PHP, JavaScript etc..

After that they should be able to learn new languages.

The time to learn a language depends on the complexity
of the language. It will be a lot faster to learn Cobol
than Ada95.


>> The language is just a tool. You need to learn and use different tools 
>> all the time. That you could/should learn at the place where it is 
>> used/needed. 
> 
> The old OJT idea.  But most places expect when they hire you you will
> hit the ground running.  Thus the reason for this latest craze for
> "certification".  HR places a value on them.  The government requires
> them.  I really see little value in something you learned over the
> weekend in a boot camp and probably forgot by Teusday.
> 
>>               And if you have all the teachings from academia, that 
>> should be an easy thing.
> 
> Not necessarily easy, but doable.  But, how many hiring managers are
> going to be willing to wait for you to learn something they expected
> you to learn in college before you can provide any value to the company?

If you hire someone with work experience then you may decide to
go for someone with experience in the languages and frameworks to
be used. After all you may need someone to teach those without that
experience if such skills are not present already in the org.

But if you hire someone right out of college, then it is really
sub-optimal to hire based on their skills in the specific
languages and frameworks. The level is not that high anyway and
it will only take a few months for those without those skills
to catch up. So it is really about hiring those that are
generally good.

Arne