[Info-vax] OS implementation languages

[plugh]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 4:14:46 PM UTC-7, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 9/11/2023 9:42 AM, plugh wrote: 
> > I'll propose an explanation for PHP's wide-spread use: websites built 
> > using rented infrastructure. While you get a choice of OS, one 
> > usually doesn't get to choose the toolchain for building/deploying 
> > applications. It's quite rare that one can "easily" deploy an 
> > application built using a compiler-based toolchain. Far easier to 
> > upload (ftp> mput src/*) an application built using a script 
> > language-based toolchain.
> It would probably be problematic in that regard to use languages 
> that compile to native. You can't build on the web hotel and if 
> you build local then it will be different OS, different OS version, 
> different C RTL or different something else that prevent it from 
> running when uploaded. 
> 
> But it is not a real problem, these kind of languages (static typed 
> compiled to native) are not suited for web applications anyway. 

That's not true. I use a compiled (Rust) backend to respond to various HTTP POST requests. There's much more to the web than HTML. But you know that.

> 
> There are a number of languages being used for web applications. 
> 
> Several script ones: PHP, Python, Ruby, JavaScript (assuming we do not 
> consider transpiling ES6 or TS as compilation). 

I think you're making my point for me? Those are all examples of the FTP MPUT {path} deployment technique; which was what I wrote as a reason scripting languages are mostly chosen over compiled; which to you seems to mean translation to machine code/byte code before execution.That excludes PHP encoders (zend, ion cube...); which requires a toolchain build. There's also the PHAR configuration tactic; which can be deployed via FTP
 Sadly, on c.o.v. you're omitting Perl. "How the mighty have fallen!"

> 
> Some that are compiled to byte code and therefor with less 
> dependency on the platform. This include Java and C#. 

Agreed. ibid.

> 
> PHP still came out on top. 

Agreed. LAMP.

> 
> And we can also see many large companies that runs their own data center 
> still picked PHP.

I can't explain such pathological cases.

> > For reference, consider the Web developer's 
> > acronym: LAMP Bemoan it all you want, but here you are.
> There are many of those LAMP, LEMP, MEAN, MERN etc.etc.. 

Again, making my point for me! Looks like you see the reasons fo PHP's raison d'etre

> 
> Arne