[Info-vax] openvms and xterm

[motk]

On 22/04/2024 9:38 am, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> There are multiple arguments against systemd, and if you listen to the
> arguments that people actually make, you might learn something about them.

I've heard them all before, personally. They generally make little sense.

> There are people like me who complain that systemd is not necessary at all,
> that it doesn't solve a problem on most systems.

It isn't necessary, but it's extremely useful. Feel free to build your 
own images with upstart of sysv init or whatever.

> There are other people who like the idea of a service manager, but they don't
> like the idea of one monolithic clump that is the service manager but also
> cron and also has fingers into other places.  These people justifiably claim
> that this is contrary to the traditional Unix philosophy of modularity.

The unix concept of modularity? What? You glue together some apps with 
named pipes and sed or whatever? When has that been true since Xenix?

You don't need to use any of those features. You can just use it as PID 
1, but then you miss out on things like cgroup management and good luck 
to you.

> There are also people who are okay with the idea of one monolithic clump
> but are offended by the non-unix-style non-human-readable configuration
> files.

[stares in sendmail]

> Pay attention to the specific arguments people make rather than just putting
> them all into one category.

You don't have an argument, you're just justifying your dislike of 
change. Nothing wrong with disliking change of course but please 
understand that things like smf and systemd came to exist because they 
were needed for modern infrastructure. The Old Ways just no longer cut 
the mustard, and people who do this for a living for vital 
infrastructure were sick of dealing with them.

[Spanish inquisition enters]

> --scott

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motk