[Info-vax] New CEO of VMS Software

[bill]

On 1/5/2024 3:52 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 1/5/2024 3:32 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 1/5/2024 2:26 PM, bill wrote:
>>> On 1/5/2024 2:05 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 1/5/2024 1:43 PM, bill wrote:
>>>>> On 1/5/2024 1:27 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>> On the consumer side I expect drivers like:
>>>>>> - they know Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> At the user level very low learning curve to change.
>>>>
>>>> It may still be more effort than average Joe want to put in.
>>>
>>> They all accepted it (like I had to) when MS killed XP and Vista.
>>> The replacement was very different.  There are still things I used
>>> to do that I can not figure out on Windows 10.
>>
>> Apparently the average Joe's of the world think differently.
> 
> Not claiming to be an "average Joe", but this is being posted from an XP 
> system.  I'm less than happy with the WEENDOZE 7 and later user 
> interface.  Of course, SSL/TLS latest versions don't work here, and I'm 
> limited on browser versions. Nor does my version of SmarTerm work on 
> WEENDOZE 7 and later.

Do you have Updates turned off?  I remember that at some point an update
caused the system to start constantly reminding me that XP was dead and
while that was really annoying the bad part was when it just stopped
starting up.

> 
>>>>>> - they have some old Windows programs that they like
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they are running an old version of Windows their
>>>>> programs probably don't work.  I have had to replace external
>>>>> hardware devices I use not because the device stopped working
>>>>> but because the software did.
>>>>
>>>> Any ordinary application build for NT or 2000 should still work.
>>>
>>> Not hardly.  I have boxes of programs from versions of Windows much
>>> newer than NT and 2000 that will not run on mt Windows 10 system.
>>> And many more that required that I get a newer version (sometimes
>>> not a free upgrade).
>>
>> There is no reason why it should not work.
>>
>> API's are maintained.
>>
>>>>>> - their PC came with Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> And, if the (Illegal?) pressure from MS was removed they could
>>>>> just as easily come with Linux.  And it could make them cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> It has been tried. Not much sale.
>>>
>>> Because the seller was still required to pay the (illegal?) MS tax.
>>
>> MS dropped that practice in 1994.
>>
>> 30 years ago.
>>
>>>>>                                     Not how Office is no longer
>>>>> sold but uses a subscription service so they can continue to collect
>>>>> revenue while forcing users to constantly change to newer versions
>>>>> even if the newer version offers the user nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Some are comfortable with the subscription model. A lot use
>>>> it for various services used by their smartphone.
>>>>
>>>> But there is also a large number of home PC's with Windows but
>>>> without MS Office.
> 
> Office 2000 works fine for me.  Until someone sends me a docx file and 
> such.

I have old versions of Office (still have a bunch of OEM ones in the
shrinkwrap) that work just fine.  Don't need them as I moved to Open
Source Office a long time ago.  Even when I still got MS Office for
free thru the University I worked at and the military.  But that doesn't
help much with using my Eprom Programmer or my telescope camera or any
of the other things that the supporting software no longer runs on Windows.

bill