When you poke around here: http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html it looks like Oracle-RDB does not yet run on OpenVMS-8.x Do have this right? They don't yet support 8.3? (or does it run on 8.3 although it just has not been certified for 8.3?) Maybe someone could bring this up at the Oracle Update Days on Oct-22 in Nashua. NSR