[Info-vax] Comment on the future of OpenVMS

[seasoned_geek]

On Oct 30, 1:36 am, John Santos <j... at egh.com> wrote:
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> But I think here Fred was replying to Roland, not to you.
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> I've inserted tags indicating who I *think* said what.
> This clearly illustrates the value of using a standards-
> compliant newsreader.
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> Fred:
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> > > I understand the sentiment of offshoring work from the US to other
> > > countries for cost reasons.  However, you apparently lack any actual
> > > experience with the individuals and organizational support.  Regardless
> > >  of what you feel about the flight of jobs to India (which is a economy
> > >  wide thing), the actual people are well educated, smart, motivated,
> > > hard working, and highly capable.
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> JE:
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> > Yes, that is also the impression I've got from the representatives
> > from the Indian group that I have meet. They seems to know what
> > they are doing. The future will tell who's right or wrong.
>

Thanks,

The quoting wasn't odd, it was non-existent.  I'm guessing they did
some HTML formatting with fonts and color which looked nice on their
local entry screen but was cast away as the message was converted to
plain text.


> Fred:
>
> > > I understand the sentiment of offshoring work from the US to other
> > > countries for cost reasons.  However, you apparently lack any actual
> > > experience with the individuals and organizational support.  Regardless
> > >  of what you feel about the flight of jobs to India (which is a economy
> > >  wide thing), the actual people are well educated, smart, motivated,
> > > hard working, and highly capable.

With "the" individuals, whoever "the" are, I'm uncertain.  I have
Fortune 50 clients that have been using off-shore teams from IBM, U.S.
Tech, HP, Accenture, and several others.  NOT ONE has had a project
delivered which was an actual success.  Each and every one has had to
either "redefine success" to match what got delivered and shred all
documentation about what was supposed to actually be delivered (in the
day and age of SOX no less) or, more commonly, they have treated their
employees like Walmart treats those who work for them...forced them to
work at least 30 hours "off-clock" each week completely redoing what
was delivered.

When you are dealing with off-shore resources, even from the big
companies, you get a resource which is a voice on the phone.  They
tell you to call this resource "Bob" or "John".  Over the course of a
six month project the voice of "John" will change many times.
Sometimes "John" will even be a woman for several months, then be a
man again.

I have a lot of experience with the fine fine quality the $10/day
labor pool has been providing the world.