[Info-vax] openvms and xterm

[Lawrence D'Oliveiro]

On Fri, 3 May 2024 13:05:18 +0100, chrisq wrote:

> On 4/30/24 23:56, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 12:22:03 +0100, chrisq wrote:
>> 
>>> The way that so much of the unix infrastructure has been replaced,
>>> coercing the system to suit the needs of systemd ...
>> 
>> For example?
> 
> Normally run FreeBSD for development, but needed to run a current
> version of Linux, to test against an open source project, that it would
> build and run without issue. Installed latest Xubuntu and Debian, both
> of which operate under systemd, with no opout at install time.

So why didn’t you try a distro that didn’t have systemd?

> All looks good at desktop level, but the networking config didn't stick
> without a reboot, and things like ifconfig, ntp, inetd and other stuff
> was missing.

ifconfig was superseded by the iproute2 suite years ago, nothing to do 
with systemd. But of course systemd builds on that work--why reinvent the 
wheel?

And also inetd is one of the many pieces of legacy baggage superseded by 
systemd. systemd offers a much more modular way of managing individual 
services--either get used to it, or go use something else. The choice, as 
always, is up to you.

> It's also not clear how to remove the systemd stuff ...

It’s called “building your own distro”. Go learn from the experts before 
attempting this sort of activity yourself.

Have you tried the “Linux From Scratch” course?