[Info-vax] openvms and xterm

[chrisq]

On 5/4/24 03:08, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 3 May 2024 13:05:18 +0100, chrisq wrote:
> 
>> On 4/30/24 23:56, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 12:22:03 +0100, chrisq wrote:
>>>
>>>> The way that so much of the unix infrastructure has been replaced,
>>>> coercing the system to suit the needs of systemd ...
>>>
>>> For example?
>>
>> Normally run FreeBSD for development, but needed to run a current
>> version of Linux, to test against an open source project, that it would
>> build and run without issue. Installed latest Xubuntu and Debian, both
>> of which operate under systemd, with no opout at install time.
> 
> So why didn’t you try a distro that didn’t have systemd?
> 
>> All looks good at desktop level, but the networking config didn't stick
>> without a reboot, and things like ifconfig, ntp, inetd and other stuff
>> was missing.
> 
> ifconfig was superseded by the iproute2 suite years ago, nothing to do
> with systemd. But of course systemd builds on that work--why reinvent the
> wheel?
> 
> And also inetd is one of the many pieces of legacy baggage superseded by
> systemd. systemd offers a much more modular way of managing individual
> services--either get used to it, or go use something else. The choice, as
> always, is up to you.
> 
>> It's also not clear how to remove the systemd stuff ...
> 
> It’s called “building your own distro”. Go learn from the experts before
> attempting this sort of activity yourself.
> 

Fine, but generally, I want use an os for work, and expect to to
just work and be easily configurable out of the box, just like any
similar unix system.

Systemd looks like someone's wet dream intellectual self
abuse, to see how different and opaque it can be made, just for the
sake of it, while contributing nothing that wasn't already there in
some other form. Coding standards and system layout are crap as well,
and where is the doc that describes the data structures, code flow
and how it all works ?. Serious operating systems, VMS, Solaris and
FreeBSD, for example, publish extensive internals books, describing
the code and data structures in detail.

Ymmv, of course, but you still haven't answered the question, ie:
What is its usp and reason for existence, technically ?.