[Info-vax] Decuserve.org - Anyone know why it's down?

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In article <63c306a9-598a-4451-afaf-8fb5db3f25fd at googlegroups.com>, johnwallace4 at yahoo.co.uk writes:
>On Thursday, 1 January 2015 04:26:44 UTC, Hein RMS van den Heuvel  wrote:
>> On Monday, December 29, 2014 4:40:04 PM UTC-5, Norm Raphael wrote:
>> > Bruce/Hein/Alan/Brian,
>> > 
>> > This is the last update I have on the subject(relayed):
>> > On 9 Dec 2014, at 16:03, Hunter Goatley wrote:
>> > 
>> > > I just got off the phone with Rob Brooks. The EISNER news is that it's 
>> > > still down. Long story short, they're are still trying to get their 
>> > > external connectivity going.
>> 
>> Thanks for the update. I also suggested (to Sue) to at the very least bring it back to Nemonix, but there are better offers out there it seems.
>> I realize it is never easy to bring bad news. It is easy to hope you can give good news 'tomorrow' and postpone the inevitable. But jeez months and months?
>> 
>> I can get at other alpha's, but it is a bit more of a hassle, and it is not 'home' and not all my stuff is not there in the basement.
>> When one does (did) "$ Show us" on eisner you'd see your family of sorts all there, every day. We might not all have been doing much, but we were there.
>> It was more than "$ show users" it was " show us". 
>> 
>> Disappointing,
>> Hein.
>
>This may be a daft question: if the community is as important as
>(more important than?) the ownership of the box(es) in question,
>and the lack of community/box is hurting, and there are genuine
>offers to provide an alternative box in a timely and affordable
>manner...

I believe that the community never expected this to take, literally, months
to relocate EISNER.  It was also done without much/any of the community even
knowing of the move.  Some planning might have allowed for a temporary site
until the EISNER relocation and reconnection was effected, but that wasn't in
the stars. :(



>Why isn't at least one of the volunteers actually doing something,
>supported by 'the community', at least on an interim basis?

EISNER had hundreds of user accounts, a large and historical NOTES database,
and it served as an email portal and web server for many of its users.  I'm
sure that others could elaborate how they used it.  Any box setup elsewhere
isn't going to provide those things, albeit it could.  However, without any
backups of EISNER with which to work from to restore an interim service, it
would just be a place to login.



>Are there, for example, issues of ownership of **user data** from
>EISNER, issues which have prevented some or all of the user data
>simply being restored on another setup in another place?
>
>If that is the case, would there be any value in a bare VMS+LP
>install? Obviously it wouldn't be the same. Would it be better
>than nothing, for sufficient people to make it worthwhile.
>
>I'm not in a postion to be volunteering, but I am grateful that
>others have done so in public.

I suppose I could do that and I probably would *IF* I had SOME appreciation
for just how much longer EISNER would remain in the elsewhere.

Presently, Deathrow is inaccessible (it never was a bastion of stability to
begin with) and OpenVMS.org appears to be down for the foreseeable future.
So, three of the most prominent VMS sites have disappeared from the internet
which, at a time when VMS has been given a chance to reawaken from its coma,
is not a good omen.



>"there are better offers out there"
>
>Jam tomorrow, no visible delivery date, promised by an organisation
>whose short and medium term priorities (entirely understandably)
>have to be elsewhere.
>
>How long do folks want to wait for this "better offer" to materialise,
>without some kind of alternative in the interim?
>
>Puzzled. 
>
>All the best for 2015.

I would be willing to pickup EISNER and give it temporary lodging until the
VSI data center is ready for it.  I'd even -- assuming there's some backup
system accompanying EISNER (I don't recall anymore) -- be willing to restore
an EISNER environment here, leaving the EISNER kit in VSI's hands.  However,
my plan/offer many not mesh with VSI's plan/acceptance.

If it's a matter of burning the midnight oil to get EISNER on-line, I'll put
up a couple of quarts to help the effort along. ;)

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