[Info-vax] What would you miss if DECnet got the chop? Was: "bad select 38" (OpenSSL on VMS)

[Dirk Munk]

Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
> Den 2016-09-18 kl. 19:46, skrev Dirk Munk:
>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Dirk Munk  <munk at home.nl> wrote:
>>>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>> Jan-Erik Soderholm  <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we have to accept that the rest of the world selected
>>>>>> TCPIP for networking.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, that being the case, we need to have the same features that
>>>>> people
>>>>> have liked with DECNET (such as the remote save sets) available
>>>>> with > IP.
>>>>
>>>> YOU ALREADY HAVE THOSE FEATURES !!!!! IT IS CALLED DECNET OVER IP !!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Why on earth would any one try to invent something that is already
>>>> there, that is plain silly. No other OS could use those features.
>>>
>>> There's the problem right there.  "No other OS could use those
>>> features."
>>>
>>> Maybe I want to put my remote saveset on a Solaris machine.  Maybe I
>>> want to put it on a disk appliance.  We live in a world where we need
>>> to coexist.
>>> --scott
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That is, or better will be possible.
>> You create a container file on any OS, and offer that container file over
>> iSCSI to VMS. VMS will see a volume, you can format that volume with VMS,
>> and use it to store data.
>> The host operating system will only see a very big file, it can not look
>> inside the container disk for individual VMS files..
>
> We have *all* storage of our VMS system on an IBM V7000 SAN. No "local"
> disks at all. So all data and the backups are already on "some other
> system". Backups are in IBM/Tivoli b.t.w. We do not handle any regular
> BACKUP save sets at all, either local or remote.
>

Putting your VMS volumes on a multi-vendor SAN storage array is nothing 
new, it has been around for at least 15 years or so.

I wonder if IBM backup haa the same functionality as VMS backup. There 
is a lot of intelligence in VMS Backup!