[Info-vax] Most popular application programming languages on VMS ?

[Dave Froble]

On 1/14/2019 8:36 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2019-01-13, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Seems to me, there might be a tendency here to have different standards
>> of trust, when truthfully, this is prejudice.  I can see no difference
>> in unknown material being possible anywhere.
>>

Now we're having fun ...

> I disagree. Applying different levels of trust to different people saying
> something applies to everything in life.
>
> People and organisations earn trust based on an established pattern
> of behaviour and demonstrated knowledge.
>
> An organisation such as the organisation behind LLVM is going to be
> trusted more than a random person claiming something about copyright.

But, is it possible that the "random person" is actually 100% trustable? 
  Perhaps ....

And is it remotely possible that the "trusted organization" may have 
some code that it's not aware actually belongs to another?

> This matters so much that if a trusted organisation does something to
> reduce that level of trust, you expect them to do things to restore
> that trust in a clear way. If they can't, then your trust moves to
> an alternative organisation instead.

Your "trusted organization" doesn't need to do anything, to themselves 
be a victim.

>> So, why would you say yes to one, and no to another?  Wishful thinking
>> doesn't count.
>>
>
> Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.

Oh yes it does.  Unless you can guarantee 100% that, for instance LLVM, 
does not have some code in it that it should not.  And you cannot.  You 
can believe, but, then we're getting into religion, and your belief is 
your reality, but possibly not actual reality.

>> If one is going to be paranoid, they should at least do a good job of it.
>>
>> I seem to recall some years back, seeing code in Microsoft's TCP/IP that
>> appeared to be directly from BSD Unix, if my memory is correct.
>>
>
> As John has already pointed out, this is BSD code so this is perfectly
> acceptable and is absolutely normal.

While a practice in one instance may be Ok, still, it is proof that such 
a practice actually happens, and if that is so, then there remains the 
possibility there will be an instance that is not Ok.

You can trust, but, that has no bearing on reality.

-- 
David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef at tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA  15486