[Info-vax] Taking a break - Open Source on OpenVMS Conference Calls Resume in the FALL of 2022...

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 7/4/2022 6:33 AM, seasoned_geek wrote:
> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 8:33:33 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 7/3/2022 10:14 AM, seasoned_geek wrote:
>>> On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 1:50:47 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 6/19/2022 10:37 AM, seasoned_geek wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 5:49:30 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/18/2022 11:53 AM, seasoned_geek wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 10:32:21 AM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/17/2022 11:00 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/06/2022 14:33, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>
>>> This shows just how little you know.
>>>
>>> The __purchased__ item is the Windows desktop and it runs on the free Linux distro of your choice. Microsoft and Windows are no longer liable for any network breaches because 100% of the network code is OpenSource Linux which they have no control over per the license agreement.
>> If MS sell an installable product with a Linux kernel and a
>> Windows desktop then they may be able to sell it because
>> their customer do not care whether it has a NT kernel or
>> a Linux kernel, but they would still be responsible for
>> the product.
>>
>> If MS tell customers to buy or download a Unix distro,
>> install it and get it running on their PC and then buy
>> and install a Windows desktop, then they would not be
>> responsible for the Linux pieces, but they would not get
>> any customers - as that is not what Windows users expect.
> 
> Seriously? Did you think about that before you typed it?
> 
> Other than a few hard core coding geeks, what Microsoft "user" installs Windows?
> 
> They go to a Big Box store, or a Web site. They buy a computer "with
> Windows pre-installed." It asks them for a user name and password at
> first boot. They have no idea how it got installed and more
> importantly they don't care.
Some people prefer a clean install over a factory install, but
yes that is only the few.

But a lot of people actually upgrade Windows on old PC's today.
That used to be rare because people bought new PC's every 3-4
years, but no longer.

Regarding the new pre-installed systems, then that is certainly
extremely common, but it is not clear either.

Let us say that the consumer goes to Best Buy and buy a HP
laptop with pre-installed Windows.

You say that HP is responsible similar to the Ford logo, but in
the end MS is responsible for their software.

What happens if MS doesn't like that responsibility and tell HP
to install Linux and a MS product on top of that and a problem
is found in Linux?

It seems like HP will end up with the monkey then. But unless
HP is willing to take on a risk that MS is not, then HP will
not accept that.

Laptops without pre-installed OS????

Arne