October 2022 Archives by date
Starting: Sat Oct 1 15:13:13 EDT 2022
Ending: Mon Oct 31 22:03:19 EDT 2022
Messages: 321
- [Info-vax] Linking problem with multiply defined symbols, how to resolve?
Richard Levitte
- [Info-vax] Some of what I'm reading...
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] Linking problem with multiply defined symbols, how to resolve?
hb
- [Info-vax] Some of what I'm reading...
Michael S
- [Info-vax] Some of what I'm reading...
Robert A. Brooks
- [Info-vax] Some of what I'm reading...
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] Some of what I'm reading...
Michael S
- [Info-vax] Linking problem with multiply defined symbols, how to resolve?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] Linking problem with multiply defined symbols, how to resolve?
Richard Levitte
- [Info-vax] Linking problem with multiply defined symbols, how to resolve?
hb
- [Info-vax] Linking problem with multiply defined symbols, how to resolve?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] Some of what I'm reading...
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] Some of what I'm reading...
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] VMS process communication
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS process communication
Ian Miller
- [Info-vax] VMS process communication
John Reagan
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS process communication
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS process communication
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
David Jones
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
John Dallman
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Single Stage to Orbit
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Steven Schweda
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
John Dallman
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Steven Schweda
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Jim Duff
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] make vs. MMS
Scott Dorsey
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Michael Kraemer at home
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] Differing __DECC_INCLUDE_PROLOGUE.H in OpenSSL 3.0.5 kits
Steven Schweda
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Marc Van Dyck
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] Floating point emulation of OpenVMS / Alpha / ES
Nick K
- [Info-vax] Floating point emulation of OpenVMS / Alpha / ES
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] Floating point emulation of OpenVMS / Alpha / ES
abrsvc
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Marc Van Dyck
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Marc Van Dyck
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
John Dallman
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Marc Van Dyck
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] Floating point emulation of OpenVMS / Alpha / ES
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] Floating point emulation of OpenVMS / Alpha / ES
abrsvc
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] Floating point emulation of OpenVMS / Alpha / ES
Nick K
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] Floating point emulation of OpenVMS / Alpha / ES
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
alanfe... at gmail.com
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
Steven Schweda
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
alanfe... at gmail.com
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
alanfe... at gmail.com
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
alanfe... at gmail.com
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] Why doesn't PIPE work with freeware?
VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Single Stage to Orbit
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
John Dallman
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
John Dallman
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
abrsvc
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Single Stage to Orbit
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Richard Maher
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Richard Maher
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Ian Miller
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Scott Dorsey
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Richard Maher
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Richard Maher
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
chris
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Toine
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Scott Dorsey
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] 100+ Alphaserver DS10s incoming and will be cheap
David Turner
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Scott Dorsey
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] 100+ Alphaserver DS10s incoming and will be cheap
gah4
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Richard Maher
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
John Forkosh
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Scott Dorsey
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
John Dallman
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
kemain.nospam at gmail.com
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Craig A. Berry
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] [OT] Sweden, was: Re: What does VMS get used for, these days?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
kemain.nospam at gmail.com
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Richard Maher
- [Info-vax] SET DEFAULT iterative logical name translation
alanfe... at gmail.com
- [Info-vax] [OT] Sweden, was: Re: What does VMS get used for, these days?
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Single Stage to Orbit
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
chris
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Single Stage to Orbit
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
rejoc
- [Info-vax] Python for OpenVMS (was: Re: VMS Software: New US Mailing Address)
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Scott Dorsey
- [Info-vax] ISC DHCP server EOL
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] Python for OpenVMS (was: Re: VMS Software: New US Mailing Address)
Craig A. Berry
- [Info-vax] ISC DHCP server EOL
Grant Taylor
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Snowshoe
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Louis Krupp
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
chris
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] Bouncing disk packs!
Galen
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Hein RMS van den Heuvel
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Bob Gezelter
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Rich Alderson
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Bob Eager
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Richard Maher
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Michael Moroney
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Galen
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
Phillip Helbig undress to reply
- [Info-vax] Kevin Shaw
VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG
- [Info-vax] Unique names (was "Kevin Shaw")
Roy Omond
- [Info-vax] Unique names (was "Kevin Shaw")
VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Johnny Billquist
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Johnny Billquist
- [Info-vax] For Sale 400GB 12G SFF SSD Write Intensive Drives HPE Integrity carriers
David Turner
- [Info-vax] VSI announces death of CEO
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] VSI announces death of CEO
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Colin Sewell
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Edgar Ulloa
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
kemain.nospam at gmail.com
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] 100+ Alphaserver DS10s incoming and will be cheap
Rich Jordan
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
abrsvc
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Craig A. Berry
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Scott Dorsey
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Bill Gunshannon
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] 100+ Alphaserver DS10s incoming and will be cheap
David Turner
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Richard Maher
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] XP1000 hardware failure
Joukj
- [Info-vax] XP1000 hardware failure
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] 100+ Alphaserver DS10s incoming and will be cheap
David Rosenberger
- [Info-vax] XP1000 hardware failure
Steven Schweda
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] 100+ Alphaserver DS10s incoming and will be cheap
gah4
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Richard Maher
- [Info-vax] How to tell SET COMMAND where the .EXE file is?
Steven Schweda
- [Info-vax] XP1000 hardware failure
Joukj
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Jan-Erik Söderholm
- [Info-vax] 100+ Alphaserver DS10s incoming and will be cheap
Single Stage to Orbit
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
hb
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] XP1000 hardware failure
Joukj
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
hb
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Single Stage to Orbit
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] VMS Software: New US Mailing Address
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] XP1000 hardware failure
chris
- [Info-vax] XP1000 hardware failure
Paul Hardy
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc (was: Re: VAX Common Lisp)
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] Flaw in SQLite: CVE-2022-35737
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc
Dave Froble
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] XP1000 hardware failure
Joukj
- [Info-vax] Upcoming patch for major security flaw in OpenSSL 3.x
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] DCL, DLM, APIs, RAS, RuleWorks, etc
Stephen Hoffman
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
IanD
- [Info-vax] Flaw in SQLite: CVE-2022-35737
David Jones
- [Info-vax] Oracle 10g , IA64 , RAC, Cluster - deploy DB on standalone server
El SysMan
- [Info-vax] Flaw in SQLite: CVE-2022-35737
John Dallman
- [Info-vax] What does VMS get used for, these days?
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] Flaw in SQLite: CVE-2022-35737
Craig A. Berry
- [Info-vax] VMS process communication
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] Flaw in SQLite: CVE-2022-35737
David Jones
- [Info-vax] Flaw in SQLite: CVE-2022-35737
Neil Rieck
- [Info-vax] The real problem that needs solving to grow VMS
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VMS process communication
Simon Clubley
- [Info-vax] VAX Common Lisp
Robert Carleton
- [Info-vax] Floating point emulation of OpenVMS / Alpha / ES
Hans Bachner
- [Info-vax] The real problem that needs solving to grow VMS
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] VMS process communication
Arne Vajhøj
- [Info-vax] Floating point emulation of OpenVMS / Alpha / ES
abrsvc
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